Sunday, January 22, 2006

My Mouth Is Hanging Open

After one of my worst night's in a while (this bug is not going away), I woke up this morning to watch my TiVo'd Fox News Sunday. I'm fast forwarding the commercials when I see something quickly flash by that looked like the cover of "The Third Terrorist" book. But it wasn't. It was for a book called "Jerusalem Countdown." As I watch the commercial, I hear about it being a warning of a nuclear showdown between Iran and Israel. Then the kicker.. "This is a wake-up call for Christians to stand in absolute solidarity with Israel." While I realize people feel this way, it was a shock to my half-awake ears to hear it in a voice-over like that on a commerical. Had to hit pause and run to my computer to quickly blog about it while it was fresh in my head! Has anyone else seen this ad or this book? Wild.


At 12:10 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I've heard Hagee's name, but had to look him up because, though I'm a Christian, I'm not into Apocalyptic novels. Some of his books seems to fall into that category.

This will interest you, Esther...

From this source:

Dr. Hagee has been to Israel 22 times and has met with every Prime Minister since Menechim Begin. John Hagee Ministries has given more than $8.5 million to bring Soviet Jews from the former Soviet Union to Israel. Dr. Hagee is also the Founder and Executive Director of “A NIGHT TO HONOR ISRAEL” an event which expresses solidarity between Christians and Jews on behalf of Jerusalem, the State of Israel and the United States.

Hagee is an evangelical Christian and pastors a huge church in San Antonio, Texas. Some of his books have been huge bestsellers, and most were written prior to 9/11. Not the one you saw advertised, though; it's his most recent one. I'm not sure if Countdown is fiction or nonfiction.

Get well, Esther!

At 12:20 PM, Anonymous Rachel Ann said...

I had to google it. I have no clue.

Refuah shelamah. If the bug isn't going away see the doc. You may have gone from virus to bacterial infection.

Think chicken soup with tons of garlic.

At 1:20 PM, Blogger Bruce786 said...

This is message being sent to thousands of sites by a robot.

Have you asked the liberated women and children in IRAQ and Afghanistan
some of whom have been blown straight to the next kingdom how they view there situation i suppose its ok its only collateral damage.
How would you like sanctions on USA that kills millions of children then someone comes to liberate you from your despotic regime kills 100's thousands of people and says we dont do nation building or body counts.

The way of Christ does not need Nuclear Weapons to destroy its enemies. Reason and logic are the ultimate weapons and no amount of WMD’s possessed by Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Israel and the USA can touch it. If you think that having nuclear weapons will save you then you must belong to the camp of the anti-christ, just search your soul for the answer.

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING PASSAGES FROM THE BIBLE AS IT HAS IMPLICATIONS ON THE WAR AGAINST TERROR/ISLAM and the claim of Israel that god gave them the land. If the child is an infant than the Judeo-Christian version becomes null and void and we are wasting our time and resources i.e. we could save trillions of dollars and create a more peaceful world rather than fighting against Islam the religion of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them all).

The COVENANT with Abraham and his DESCENDANTS is central to islam/chritianity/judaism.

Please note this is not a competition between faiths but an attempt to decipher fact from fiction.

And Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram called the name of his son, whom Hagar bore, Ishmael. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ishmael to Abram.
Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him.

At Genesis 22 Abraham had only 2 sons others came later. The Quran mentions that it was Ishmael that was sacrificed hence the reference in genesis 22:2 your only son can only mean someone has substituted Ishmael names for Isaac!!

NOT ROMAN NUMERALS (I, II, III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX,X) NB no concept of zero in roman numerals.

100 years old – 86 years old = 14 ADD 3 YEARS FOR ISSAC’S WEANING


Carefully read several times the above passage and then tell me the mental picture you get between the mother child interactions what is the age of the child. If the mental picture is that of a 17 year old child being carried on the shoulder of his mother, being physically placed in the bush, crying like a baby, mother having to give him water to drink, than the Islamic viewpoint is null and void.

I have shown the passage of Genesis 21 to my two elder children of good reading ages now and without influencing them asked them what mental picture they got about the age of Ishmael in that passage and they thought he was about 5 years old. I have also tried the same thing with my work colleagues some of whom are qualified with PhD’s and have the ENGLISH language as their mother tongue and they also said they thought Ishmael was 5 years or younger because some of them stated by themselves that there was no verbal interaction between mother and child. i.e. If Ishmael is not of talking age then he must be less than a year old.

GENESIS:21:14 - 21
So Abraham rose early in the morning, and took bread and a skin of water, and gave it to Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, along with the child, and sent her away. And she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-Sheba. When the water in the skin was gone, she cast the child under one of the bushes. Then she went, and sat down over against him a good way off, about the distance of a bowshot; for she said, “Let me not look upon the death of the child.” And as she sat over against him, the child lifted up his voice and wept. And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven, and said to her, “What troubles you, Hagar? Fear not; for God has heard the voice of the lad where he is. Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him fast with your hand; for I will make him a great nation.” Then God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the skin with water, and gave the lad a drink. And God was with the lad, and he grew up; he lived in the wilderness, and became an expert with the bow. He lived in the wilderness of Paran; and his mother took a wife for him from the land of Egypt.


For background info on the future religion of mankind see the following websites: (MUHAMMAD IN THE BIBLE) (Quran and Science)

HOLY QURAN CHAPTER 37 verses 101 - 122

101. So We gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear.

102. Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: Now see what is thy view!" (The son) said: "O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if Allah so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!"

103. So when they had both submitted their wills (to Allah., and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice),

104. We called out to him "O Abraham!

105. "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" - thus indeed do We reward those who do right.

106. For this was obviously a trial-

107. And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice:

108. And We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times:

109. "Peace and salutation to Abraham!"

110. Thus indeed do We reward those who do right.

111. For he was one of our believing Servants.

112. And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the Righteous.

113. We blessed him and Isaac: but of their progeny are (some) that do right, and (some) that obviously do wrong, to their own souls.

114. Again (of old) We bestowed Our favour on Moses and Aaron,

115. And We delivered them and their people from (their) Great Calamity;

116. And We helped them, so they overcame (their troubles);

117. And We gave them the Book which helps to make things clear;

118. And We guided them to the Straight Way.

119. And We left (this blessing) for them among generations (to come) in later times:

120. "Peace and salutation to Moses and Aaron!"

121. Thus indeed do We reward those who do right.

122. For they were two of our believing Servants.


Therefore the claim that god gave the land to Israel is destroyed without the need of any WMD’s.

Amazing so Hagar in Genesis 21:14 – 21 was carrying a 17 year old retard on her one shoulder for maybe 10 – 100 miles (Mrs. Swarzniggar) who later grew up to become an archer, married into an Arab tribe and learned Arabic and went onto have several children. One of the descendants of this retard with his genetic defects passed on his bad DNA to Muhammad the illiterate whose religion is now violently spreading by the sword and soon to overtake the whole planet.
How could this happen like you I am also confused.

The oil found in recent history belongs to the west, its unfortunate it is under lands inhabited by Muslims and not only Arabs. Having oil and economic success then to die and go to hell is not my idea of a great nation.

By the way SCREW BIN LADEN, AL-QAEDA, SADDAM HUSSAIN and who is this Zackarwee all trained by that humanitarian organization called the CIA.

A brief lesson on Islam.

It is the oldest faith on the planet it starts of with Adam and Eve, and continuous through revelations given to Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus (many others too numerous to mention) until its completion under the messenger ship of Muhammad (pbuta). Islam is not an exclusively an Arab faith as there is no scriptural evidence that Muhammad (pbuh) said that he is the founder of Islam. One cannot quote the Quran as it is not the work of Muhammad as he could not read or write in any language including Arabic. Just as Jesus has himself not ever said that he is the founder of Christianity or Moses has not stated that he is the founder of Judaism.

ISIAH 29 verse 12 "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned".

Below are verses from the Quran, where GOD/SATAN himself says that the scriptures were changed by the scribes.

Quran Chapter 2 verse 75

75. Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it.

Quran Chapter 2 verse 79

79. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

Quran Chapter 4 verse 46

46. Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: "We hear and we disobey"; and "Hear what is not Heard"; and "Ra'ina"; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: "What hear and we obey"; and "Do hear"; and "Do look at us"; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.

I suppose SATAN said the following about the Israel.

Quran Chapter 2 verse 40 - 83

40. O Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My Covenant with you, and fear none but Me.
41. And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.
42. And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).
43. And be steadfast in prayer; practise regular charity; and bow down your heads with those who bow down (in worship).
44. Do ye enjoin right conduct on the people, and forget (To practise it) yourselves, and yet ye study the Scripture? Will ye not understand?
45. Nay, seek ((Allah)'s) help with patient perseverance and prayer: It is indeed hard, except to those who bring a lowly spirit,-
46. Who bear in mind the certainty that they are to meet their Lord, and that they are to return to Him.
47. Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other (for My Message).
48. Then guard yourselves against a day when one soul shall not avail another nor shall intercession be accepted for her, nor shall compensation be taken from her, nor shall anyone be helped (from outside).
49. And remember, We delivered you from the people of Pharaoh: They set you hard tasks and punishments, slaughtered your sons and let your women-folk live; therein was a tremendous trial from your Lord.
50. And remember We divided the sea for you and saved you and drowned Pharaoh's people within your very sight.
51. And remember We appointed forty nights for Moses, and in his absence ye took the calf (for worship), and ye did grievous wrong.
52. Even then We did forgive you; there was a chance for you to be grateful.
53. And remember We gave Moses the Scripture and the Criterion (Between right and wrong): There was a chance for you to be guided aright.
54. And remember Moses said to his people: "O my people! Ye have indeed wronged yourselves by your worship of the calf: So turn (in repentance) to your Maker, and slay yourselves (the wrong-doers); that will be better for you in the sight of your Maker." Then He turned towards you (in forgiveness): For He is Oft- Returning, Most Merciful.
55. And remember ye said: "O Moses! We shall never believe in thee until we see Allah manifestly," but ye were dazed with thunder and lighting even as ye looked on.
56. Then We raised you up after your death: Ye had the chance to be grateful.
57. And We gave you the shade of clouds and sent down to you Manna and quails, saying: "Eat of the good things We have provided for you:" (But they rebelled); to us they did no harm, but they harmed their own souls.
58. And remember We said: "Enter this town, and eat of the plenty therein as ye wish; but enter the gate with humility, in posture and in words, and We shall forgive you your faults and increase (the portion of) those who do good."
59. But the transgressors changed the word from that which had been given them; so We sent on the transgressors a plague from heaven, for that they infringed (Our command) repeatedly.
60. And remember Moses prayed for water for his people; We said: "Strike the rock with thy staff." Then gushed forth therefrom twelve springs. Each group knew its own place for water. So eat and drink of the sustenance provided by Allah, and do no evil nor mischief on the (face of the) earth.
61. And remember ye said: "O Moses! we cannot endure one kind of food (always); so beseech thy Lord for us to produce for us of what the earth groweth, -its pot-herbs, and cucumbers, Its garlic, lentils, and onions." He said: "Will ye exchange the better for the worse? Go ye down to any town, and ye shall find what ye want!" They were covered with humiliation and misery; they drew on themselves the wrath of Allah. This because they went on rejecting the Signs of Allah and slaying His Messengers without just cause. This because they rebelled and went on transgressing.
62. Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
63. And remember We took your covenant and We raised above you (The towering height) of Mount (Sinai) : (Saying): "Hold firmly to what We have given you and bring (ever) to remembrance what is therein: Perchance ye may fear Allah."
64. But ye turned back thereafter: Had it not been for the Grace and Mercy of Allah to you, ye had surely been among the lost.
65. And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."
66. So We made it an example to their own time and to their posterity, and a lesson to those who fear Allah.
67. And remember Moses said to his people: "(Allah) commands that ye sacrifice a heifer." They said: "Makest thou a laughing-stock of us?" He said: "(Allah) save me from being an ignorant (fool)!"
68. They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what (heifer) it is!" He said; "He says: The heifer should be neither too old nor too young, but of middling age. Now do what ye are commanded!"
69. They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us Her colour." He said: "He says: A fawn-coloured heifer, pure and rich in tone, the admiration of beholders!"
70. They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what she is: To us are all heifers alike: We wish indeed for guidance, if Allah wills."
71. He said: "He says: A heifer not trained to till the soil or water the fields; sound and without blemish." They said: "Now hast thou brought the truth." Then they offered her in sacrifice, but not with good-will.
72. Remember ye slew a man and fell into a dispute among yourselves as to the crime: But Allah was to bring forth what ye did hide.
73. So We said: "Strike the (body) with a piece of the (heifer)." Thus Allah bringeth the dead to life and showeth you His Signs: Perchance ye may understand.
74. Thenceforth were your hearts hardened: They became like a rock and even worse in hardness. For among rocks there are some from which rivers gush forth; others there are which when split asunder send forth water; and others which sink for fear of Allah. And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.
75. Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it.
76. Behold! when they meet the men of Faith, they say: "We believe": But when they meet each other in private, they say: "Shall you tell them what Allah hath revealed to you, that they may engage you in argument about it before your Lord?"- Do ye not understand (their aim)?
77. Know they not that Allah knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal?
78. And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.
79. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
80. And they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days:" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from Allah, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of Allah what ye do not know?"
81. Nay, those who seek gain in evil, and are girt round by their sins,- they are companions of the Fire: Therein shall they abide (For ever).
82. But those who have faith and work righteousness, they are companions of the Garden: Therein shall they abide (For ever).
83. And remember We took a covenant from the Children of Israel (to this effect): Worship none but Allah. treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need; speak fair to the people; be steadfast in prayer; and practise regular charity. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you, and ye backslide (even now).

At 1:29 PM, Blogger Esther said...

Interesting stuff, AOW! Thanks for sharing that. That stuff seems so odd to me, the whole doomsday contingent. I know they sell lots of books but still.

RA, I think I'm going to the doctor tomorrow. Much appreciated.

Uh....Bruce. You lost me at the first paragraph when you asked me to ask a question of people supposedly blown to bits. How does one get an answer? Hmm.... Have you ever heard that less is more? I would have deleted it (just cause of sheer length and babble) but thought it might amuse some of the readers here.

At 4:05 PM, Anonymous seawitch said...

Some of the more extreme evangelical Christians believe that we are heading for the end times. They view Israel as a means to hasten the second coming of Christ.

At 4:10 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

This may sound odd but Evangelical types like Zola Levitt are our natural allies. The question of is Norman Finklestein, Chomsky, Zinn and Koevell being given a free pass due to their etnicity is relevant. One is far more likely to hear genuine anti semitism from the far left then a David Duke type.

Speaking of leftwing anti semites the blog of 167 is kaput. Most blogs leave a forwarding adress and keep their archives but 167 deleted his. Sadly, 167 only got genuine ratings when I whacked him.
When he banned dissent his readership went into the toilet.

As for your cold try the chilli powder as it opens up passages but the ultimate cure is sleep. I was out like a light for about six hours this afternoon and feel great. I have to get up late tommorow as my car is going in for an oil change so I am preparing a series of posts.

At 4:20 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

I am glad you didn't delete Bruce786's comment - it is hillarious.

A very confused individual. ;-)
Look after yourself Esther.
I hope you'll get better soon.

At 7:31 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Dispensationalist theology.


At 9:16 PM, Blogger muse said...


At 2:02 AM, Anonymous Rory said...

It's interesting that you brought up John Hagee because he was just on a radio program that was broadcast on C-Span yesterday. As I'm sure you could tell, he's unabashedly pro-Israel, although I don't know whether he went into the theological reasons for his support in the Fox interview. It's based on a fundamentalist interpretation of biblical prophecy, which means that he sees the establishment of the State of Israel as a pre-cursor to the second coming, as Seawitch has said. But that will only come after a horrific battle which will be fought in the Israeli city of Megiddo...or Armageddon as it's more commonly known. I'll leave the rest of the details for somebody else to fill in, but here's the thing. Dr. Hagee, and others like him, are quite influential and their followers aren't afraid to make their opinions known to the administration when it comes to Middle East policy and especially if they think Israel is being screwed. Also, as AOW pointed out, they've raised large sums of money to help rescue Jews from the Soviet Union. Again, that's part of the biblical prophesy because when all the Jews have returned to Israel, then the process can begin. Of course, some of us may be uncomfortable with much of this, but the question becomes do you look a gift horse in the mouth, especially since, as Beaker points out, these days the damage to Israel comes from Jews on the extreme left, not Christians on the religious right (the foolish statement by Pat Robertson, notwithstanding). And that's probably why, as far as the Israelis are concerned, many of them feel they can work with the Evangelicals without necessarily having to accept their theology. Also, because the majority of Israelis aren't religious to begin with, as long as the Evangelicals don't require a quid pro quo in regard to their beliefs, there would be no reason not to accept their political support and many of Israel's political leaders have made no bones about the fact that they're very grateful for it.

I'm sorry I can't go over your comments point by point, but I'm an atheist, so this is not my area of expertise. But, unless you mean something other than what we think of as Islam, I'm not sure why you said that "Islam is the oldest faith on the planet" when it's been around for less than 2,000 years and so it's pre-dated by both Judaism and Christianity, not to mention the Eastern religions.

Esther, take care of yourself and I hope you feel better soon.

At 7:30 AM, Blogger birdwoman said...

Esther, you're still sick? Maybe you need your grandpa to come over and read you the Princess Bride... (sorry, it's one of my fave movies. Didn't actually like the real book so much.)

And the comment from the spam bot was classic. I think he's headed for a PhD somewhere.

Feel better...


At 8:56 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Dispensationalist theology states that because the Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah the first time he came around, the next time he comes around he's going to be the ass-kickin, name-takin liberator / conqueror Jews expect the Messiah to be. Oh, and lots of Jews will die needlessly to make the point.


At 10:23 AM, Blogger rockmother said...

I am very uncomfortable indeed with any sort of alliance between Israel and all those who wish her well with any person or group who verges on the irrational or fundamentalist.

It may be expedient in passing, but the long-term payment will be long and expensive.

Developing rational alliances with truly understanding and friendly nations is the only way to go.

Israel has the right to exist. Finish.

Get well, Esther - you poor bunny! Virtual chicken soup (with plenty lokshen) coming your way. Take care!

At 4:32 PM, Blogger LASunsett said...

Esther, forget the damned chicken soup. Bourbon is the answer. Straight up. ;)

Bruce makes the rounds, he hit my place a while back. He is a blog hack.

At 7:09 PM, Blogger Mark said...

Hey Bruce, lay off the toot, buddy!

The 70's are OVER, man!

At 10:07 PM, Blogger Elmer's Brother said...


This Bruce786 fellow has been answered at Infidel Bloggers Alliance with references from the Old Testament that refutes everything he says. He has been going to a lot of conservative sites putting the same argument over and over. See the post on how believers should respond to Islamic end times.


I hope you won't find it too amazing that a lot of Christians support and care deeply for Israel. We would be meshugenah not too.

At 10:14 PM, Blogger Elmer's Brother said...

I want to let you know it's because we do care about Israel and the Jewish people. I don't know if you ever listen to Michael Medved or Dennis Prager but they seem to understand that there is a deeper relationship between us. We may not agree but we aren't blowing each other up either.

At 2:44 PM, Blogger eyesallaround said...

I agree with Elmer's brother. I don't know of any Christians (Hagee included) who want to see Armagedon hastened to bring about the return of Christ. Protestants (and Catholics more recently) believe in the entire Bible, which includes the Jewish Tanakh.

The Protestant Reformation, started only 500 years ago. They moved away from believing in ideas formulated by the Catholic Church and chose rather to believe only in the what is written in the Bible (Tanakh and New Testament).

As such, Protestants view Jews with respect, as the people who were chosen by God to carry and protect His word for His creation. Everyone in the New Testament was Jewish. There is no conflict.

As far as proselytizing, I'm sure there are some energetic Christians who pursue such goals, but most do not, myself included. We all will be held responsible for the decisions we make in this life, and I'm fine with that:>)

At 12:04 PM, Blogger cube said...

Glad you're feeling better. I haven't seen the ad, but consider myself one of those Christians standing with Israel.

BTW what is up with Bruce 786? Oh, Margaret!

At 12:26 PM, Blogger BonnieBlueFlag said...

Seawitch and Rory have already voiced my concern, about some of the Christian groups that are camped out in Israel. They are in the minority, as most Christians wish the people of Israel well, but these few hope to bring about the Rapture that is described in the Book of Revelations.

Esther, LASunsett has the right idea, my Daddy used to mix a little sugar in a spoonful of whiskey.

Take care, and get well soon.

At 5:50 AM, Blogger Timothy Birdnow said...

Hope you feel better soon, Esther! You could also try gin; it was a cough medicine originally, anyway!

I think it would be a mistake to turn any ally away through mistrust-provided that ally isn`t a complete loon or jackal. Many Christians bear much goodwill for Israel, and I am certain it is possible to find a few pro-Israel Moslems out there (they keep quiet out of fear). As pointed out by Ben Franklin, ``We must all hang together or we shall surely all hang seperately``.

Speaking of loons and jackals, where did you dig up that Bruce fellow?

At 6:21 AM, Blogger patrickafir said...

Yeah, those apocalyptic novels have become popular among evangelical Christians over the last decade or so. I remember being at the supermarket a two or three years ago and I saw a big ol' boxed set of all the "Left Behind" books in the magazine/bestseller aisle.

I think it's cool that Christians rally to Israel's defense, for whatever reason, but I also think that in this case it's really a matter of using the situation in Israel as a literary device. It's a useful and effective way of capturing the imagination and stirring the heart (two results that many authors strive for).

At 11:46 PM, Anonymous gravelrash said...

Esther - it is not possible for a christian who has understood ANY of Gods design and purpose to look upon Israel and the Jews with anything other than love and a commitment to her, Bruce 786 not-withstanding!!! LOL, thanks for leaving that rant there - it made me feel so......normal!!! Tee hee!


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