Thursday, November 10, 2005

I Wonder If Jordan Was Bombed Because...

Terrorists didn't want the king, Abdullah, to go through with his planned visit to Israel? I ask this because there is a story in Haaretz discussing how King Abdullah has now cancelled the trip to Israel because of the three suicide bombings in his country that claimed at least 57 lives, including an American, an Israeli and apparently two high-ranking Palestinian security officials. My mind keeps going back to all the times Ariel Sharon was scheduled to visit Bush. The trip would be cancelled due to a suicide attack at home. These guys know how to derail things. Or am I just a conspiracy nut?


At 8:28 PM, Blogger LASunsett said...

Possibly. Or it could be just a secondary gain from their action.

In the broad scope of things, it may have been one of several reasons, one of which is the fact that Jordan at least wants to have a dialogue with Israel.

At 8:32 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

These guys know how to derail things.
They intend to derail all of Western civilization!

I agree with LA: it may have been one of several reasons. Often, more than one reason motivates a single attack--or a series of attacks.

Hey, Esther, have you seen the latest pics of the panda cub? What a darling! That baby has personality!

At 8:43 PM, Blogger Esther said...

LA, good point. And I do think they're pissed he's willing to talk with Israel.

AOW, I'm in love! That cub is the cutest thing!!

At 9:11 PM, Blogger muse said...

remember, if there is a "Palestine" it's Jordan

At 9:21 PM, Blogger Esther said...

Ain't that the truth, muse!

At 10:12 PM, Anonymous seawitch said...

Like lasunett stated. It might be a secondary gain. And if their attempt was to derail closer ties with Israel, they may have gone to far. The Jordanians(or Palestinians, however you wish to call them) are mad.

At 12:21 AM, Blogger Rory said...

It's true that there could have been a number of reasons for the bombings, but I suspect it may have less to do with Israel (although the Arabs will always use that as an excuse) than it does with Iraq. The Jordanians are training Iraqi soldiers and police and the king has apparently been very helpful to the coalition forces. And while there's an ongoing effort on the part of the extremists to de-stabilize Jordan, apparently there's now a serious backlash against Zarqawi and the Iraqi "insurgency" and that may be the only positive result of this whole thing.

At 9:53 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

In GWB's speech just televised (November 11), he mentioned that the Islamists hate the Jews. A point-blank mention! Thought you'd want to know. Maybe a copy of his speech is available at the White House web site?

So...maybe you're not "a conspiracy nut."

The panda cub yelped like hell when he got his most recent injection. I know how he feels! I hate shots too.

At 10:42 AM, Blogger Esther said...

AOW, they have the raw speech for the most part here:

At 10:43 AM, Blogger Esther said...

Oops, it cut off .html

At 1:55 PM, Anonymous Felis said...

"Like lasunett stated. It might be a secondary gain. "

I'd say it is not as much a secondary but immediate reason.
Of course Jordan is on the Islamist black list for supportbg the great shaitan.

At 6:52 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

The speech is now at

At 3:57 AM, Anonymous Atlantic said...

Sure, the scheduled visit to Israel could have been one reason. I presented another reason in our blog:

The terrorist attacks in Jordan on November 9th were apparently supposed to be a reminder of the 9-11 attacks, because November 9th is written "9.11." in many parts of the world. While 9-11 has shaped US foreign policy and national identity significantly, 9.11. (aka November 9th) has been "Germany's Day of Destiny" and shaped German identity and foreign policy even more than 9-11 did in the US.

And then I quickly summarize everthing that happened in Germany on November 9th before including a paper by a US Fulbrighter on German guilt.

Isn't it interesting that 9-11 and 9.11. have been so important for the US and Germany?

At 5:26 AM, Blogger Rory said...

I think that in order to determine the connection between the bombings and King Abdullah's planned trip to Israel, we'd need to know how far in advance his trip was planned and when it became known that he was going. The reason is that the attacks on the hotels had to have been planned well in advance. It's not the sort of thing some maniac bomber can get up one morning and decide to do, and then pull it off. A coordinated attack like that takes a lot of planning. In fact, that's how you know the Palestinian terrorists are full of crap when they say that a suicide bombing is in response to something the Israelis did just a few days before. These attacks are already in the pipeline and, provided they don't get caught, they can set them in motion at a time of their choosing. Then they announce it's in retaliation and they can make it appear it's a tit for tat situation and not pre-meditated murder.

At 5:49 AM, Blogger birdwoman said...

I think that more than anything they want to kill people. It's a pretty simple and achievable goal (hey, those are the best kind, according to my management training.) If they get extra benefits, well, that's great. But body count is the real goal.


At 8:17 AM, Blogger Mark said...

Follow the links:

Athena lived in Jordan, and specializes in Islamic Studies.

At 9:21 AM, Blogger Esther said...

Some great discussion here everyone. Wow. Mark and Atlantic, thanks for those great links! Atlantic, I too made that connection of 9.11 and Nov 9 on other blogs. Thanks for bringing it up here. That research paper you linked to was fascinating. I do think Germany is slowly shedding its WWII guilt and not necessarily for the better, from all I've heard on the subject.

Rory, I think while the terrorists had to plan this way in advance too, that doesn't mean they didn't just sit tight until there was a "great reason" to let loose. So I do stand by my original hypothesis.

At 9:57 AM, Anonymous rachel ann said...

I think you have something there Esther; they planned this and waited for the right moment.

wow....I have to go through the comments now and follow the links.

At 4:59 PM, Blogger Atlantic Review said...

"I do think Germany is slowly shedding its WWII guilt and not necessarily for the better, from all I've heard on the subject."

I agree. There are some troubling developments, for example some German conservatives/rightwingers want to focus more on the German victims of aerial bombardments and displacements. This and other stuff is of concern.
It's a complicated subject that requires an in-depth and nuanced answer, but no time to do so unfortunately.

At 10:34 PM, Blogger patrickafir said...

The PLO's career was largely political, with the mass murder of civilians being used as a focal political expedient. And of course, it worked because the world allowed it to.

Al-Qaeda and their ilk are a bit more apocalyptic and general. It's jihad for the sake of jihad, which is for the purpose of reestablishing the Caliphate.

Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, and even al-Aqsa are kind of a combination of the two.

But in regard to why they did it, it was because of the U.S. of course! Probably Israel too.

At 7:15 PM, Blogger BonnieBlueFlag said...

You all are so much more informed than I in many of these areas, but like Esther, I did think about the number of times that Sharon was either here, or on his way here, and he had to return to Israel immediately, because of a bombing.

When it came to light that the woman's bomb would not detonate, I could not help but wonder if that was really true.

And, was she wearing a non functioning explosive belt, that the husband had actually intended for himself?

When you try to make sense of these events, which you cannot, your mind tends to wander down strange roads.


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