Friday, May 20, 2005


Was sitting here, blogging like I usually do -- while watching the news as background noise, and saw a press conference with W and the visiting Denmark prime minister. Heard Israel mentioned, looked up and was like, "What the heck does this Denmark fella have to do with Israel?!" Of course, never did figure that out but since I was now paying a bit more attention, I heard W say something that both surprised me (cause he didn't have a script and it made sense) and thrilled me. How often can I say that? Not even sure what prompted this response, but he described that part of the world with the following description, "...[ they have a view of the world] that is backward and barbaric." Yeah! Calling a spade a spade. Nicely done, Mr. President.

I promise to pay more attention (for my note-taking) at the AIPAC conference. :)


At 9:40 AM, Blogger Gindy said...

"How often can I say that? "

Not as often as I would like. I think he does his best when he doesn't have a script and has a grasp on a particular subject.

I am surprised that he would come right out and say that. But, if it is true then it is true.

At 9:47 AM, Anonymous Rory said...

I didn't see the news conference, but the Prime Minister of Denmark, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, is one of the very few European leaders who is truly sympathetic to Israel. Perhaps, that's one of the reasons Bush made the comments he did. He may have felt he was sort of preaching to the choir.

At 11:23 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

I am beging to think we need to revisit the subject of Israel , Jews and the left in a different
light. The traditional view of a jackbooted right wing anti semite
is out dated. Those types exist but are a tiny fraction.

Much of the anti Israel , Anti American and Anti Semitic ahherents are based in anti Capitalism. Thus the cartoon that I parody on my site of a Gay man obsessed with Israel and Jews despite the fact that if he lived in the PA he would aquire a toe tag. Gays are persecuted and sometimes killed by the PA.

The point is that to a far left type the cause and movement mean everything. Thus the question of whether Chomsky , Finklestein and Lerner would betray their kind is
moot. These far left types are not Jews , Gays, Americans , Indians etc. They are part of a false surrogate for religion.

Thus when we talk to them there may be two different coversations.
We are discussing facts , history and economics . They are responding with a faith type response.

At 3:44 PM, Blogger Sergeant America said...

... backward and barbaric

These two words "caught" my attention, too!

Attaboy, President Bush!!!

A truer definition of the false religion, termed islam; cannot be found or truncated ... (IMO) :(

At 5:31 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

"Much of the anti Israel , Anti American and Anti Semitic ahherents are based in anti Capitalism."

This is abosolutely correct.
And also, when you refer to so called "far right" like neo-nazi, do not forget they are also anti-capitalist.
And as seen by their comtemporaries, even the real NAZIs were anti-capitalist, pro "state-must-run-everything" alernative to communists.
Justa different kind of RADICAL movement.
At the present they (neo-nazi) use artcles written by so called progressive left.
Even the terminology is identical.

At 6:42 PM, Blogger Tran Sient said...

I have always wondered why more Jews don't support Bush. From an outside point of view, it seems strange.

At 7:11 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...


Visitors to my blog will wonder what the term 167 means. 167 is a reference to the self proclaimed IQ
of a nasty anti- semitic troll from
the UK who happens to be gay.

I have posted and broken down many of his statements into ridiculous
absurdities. He no longer trolls my site because I do not play nice.

I asked liberals if the following
snippet is anti-semitic.
"But on the subject of Iraq and the whole fascist Judea- American
Neocon war on terror fraud "

Conservatives saw it as anti -semitic and anti American. The full
quote was seen as anti Christian as well.

However I posted that quote to three liberals.

1 Not antisemitic but very stupid.
2 No comment
3 Well he is not talking about Jews
its Zionists.

The problem is the predjudices are so ingrained they see them as natural.

I am not a conservative but the fact they can not communicate with
a Rudy Republican speaks vollumes.

At 9:26 PM, Blogger Rachel Croucher said...

" I think he does his best when he doesn't have a script and has a grasp on a particular subject."

-- so true. I remember hearing him speaking in Vilnius and the speech was amazing, especially the spontaneous parts

which reminds me, Gindy, did you get that e-mail I sent you?

At 11:19 PM, Blogger Tran Sient said...

Thank you for the response on the Watch Beakerkin. It was very informative.

At 12:50 AM, Anonymous Rory said...

Trans Sient, I think I can answer your question about why more Jews don't support Bush, because it's a good one and it's one that's frequently asked. I won't address the problem of the loony Jewish left because that's a whole other matter, but the primary reason for the lack of support from Jews is Bush's positions on social policy issues. A lot of Jews (and other minorities for that matter) tend to be liberal for reasons rooted in their history. They usually fared worse under right-wing governments and I suppose old habits (and party loyalties) die hard. I can tell you that, personally, I voted for Bush because of his tough stance against terrorism, but it wasn't an easy decision for somebody as liberal as I am on the domestic issues. Also, I have the feeling that implicit in your question may be Bush's position on Israel. I think the answer is that while Israel is an important factor for many Jews when they vote, it often isn't their first priority. Perhaps, they feel that NO American president is going to be really bad for Israel (except maybe if, heaven forbid, Pat Buchanan managed to get elected) and so they don't necessarily feel uncomfortable with the Democrats, where Israel is concerned. But I think you might find that a lot of Jews who couldn't even think of voting for Bush would find themselves voting for Rudy Giuliani if he decides to run.

At 3:27 AM, Blogger Recidivist said...

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At 3:29 AM, Blogger Recidivist said...

Visitors to Beakerkin’s nasty little illiterate and viciously racist blog should also note that Beakerkin has failed to rise to the challenge of showing the substance to his ridiculous claims about my blog being anti-Semitic .. even though there is the offer of a £500 donation to charity at stake. Funny how the vicious little Zionist neocon trolls go to ground when you actually challenge them to put their money where their mouth is.

How someone as mentally defective and paranoid freak as Beakerkin is - who on his own blog, openly wishes other people dead, denounces the entire Palestinian people as “unworthy of life”, claims that no real Jew can be an anti-Zionist (yet can’t even name his own basic prayer objects) and claims that only Jewish victims of the holocaust matter, because all the other 12,000,000 were simply victims of their “own choice” - can run around whining incoherently as he does about other peoples bigotry really is quite hilarious.


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