Tuesday, July 26, 2005

Why Do People Believe Lies?

(Inspired by a comment in another post.) Can someone explain to me why people readily want to believe lies espoused by the Palestinians? No, don't believe what you hear from a democracy like Israel -- who has a free press. After all, Israel is bad. If that's the case, what word do you use for terror groups like Fatah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah? Israel, in fighting a WAR like they are, occasionally has to deal with collateral damage (just as our folks do in Iraq). But they don't target innocents. Can the same be said of the terror groups I listed? Let me answer that for you -- No. Innocents are exactly who they ARE targeting. So when they have already proven themselves as despicable and on the side of death, why take their word on things? If you learn nothing else from my blog, learn that many Palestinians LIE LIKE THE REST OF US BREATHE. I'm sure my fellow bloggers can present case after case after case of their lies being found out. Please check these things out. Israel has a free press and many are on the left -- so they love to find out things Israel does wrong. If the IDF is covering something up, they'll sniff it out. On the other hand, there is no free press in the territories. Journalists are shot in the street if they say something against what the regime wants, at least they sure were under Arafat. If you read something in such anti-Israel rags/outlets like The Guardian, The BBC and Reuters, just to name a few, how about doing a search on what you find and see what the other side is? Don't take the word of just one news outlet. Most are biased. In order to be well informed, we must pursue the truth. Don't we owe our staunchest ally that much?

21 Comments:

At 11:01 AM, Blogger Esther said...

Was just over at Gindy's and saw a terrific post that is similar in thought to this -- check it out:

http://gindy.blogspot.com/2005/07/palestinians-and-left.html

 
At 11:54 AM, Anonymous felis said...

Why indeed.
If you present to the public facts and a conspiracy theory the majority will think the theory is true not the facts.
It happens all the time.

 
At 1:59 PM, Blogger Regular Ron said...

I saw that post too Esther. You gotta read UnHoly Alliance by David Horowitz. I'm tellin ya, it's worth it.

By the way, I tagged ya. Deal with it woman..lol

RR

 
At 2:41 PM, Anonymous Henry said...

I hate it too. The whole press and all of the Liberals seem to equate or hold worse people who try to avoid civilians vs those tht make it a point to target them.

 
At 5:38 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Esther

The turning point with the far left was the 67 war when the Soviets finaly realized Israel was not going to be another Cuba. These same idiots told us that the Rosenbergs were innocent. They also failed to tell us of the Eastern European, Cuban and Palestinan advisors in Nicaragua. Truth is not and never was important to the far left cult of death. This is why they rewrite history so often. Currently they are doing backflips with Islamic history.Read a school text book and you will not believe it.

 
At 6:43 PM, Blogger drummaster2001 said...

in my govt. class we saw a video, which made claims that 'Israel controls the US media and it is full of lies' and 'the BBC is the accurate depiction of Israel' (even though the Brits are anti-semitic). people who don't know the FACTS are willing to believe highly stretched, biased truths. why do you think so many people who saw 'Fahrenheit 9/11' believed every single word from Michael Moore's mouth? the answer is that they did not know all the facts and were willing to believe the biased left views of Moore. i am a liberal, but not stupid enough to believe everything he said. the people who believe Palestinians are people who choose to be blind to reality.

one continuous lie from the Palestinians, from Arafat to Abbas- 'we are fighting terrorist groups and condemn the acts and are doing everything to stop them.' BS!

 
At 7:13 PM, Anonymous The_Consigliere said...

Well I didn't think this needed to be said, but the Palestinian government and the people need to come out forcefully against terrorism. They themselves should adopt a zero-tolerance policy to such actions. Not because those tactics don’t work, but because those tactics are morally reprehensible (I am feeling a bit annoyed to have to say something so obvious).

“If you learn nothing else from my blog, learn that many Palestinians LIE LIKE THE REST OF US BREATHE."

If you are trying to convince an outside observer that your side is the one in the right, you probably will be better off leaving out statements like that. That kind of rhetoric is a bit of a turn off. Of course it doesn’t help when the other side says the exact same things about you.

From what you just wrote it seems that any non-Israeli news outlet that doesn’t share your view is biased. One of the biggest problems with Israel is amount of control they try to exert over the media when they try and report what is actually happening in Gaza and WB. I suppose PBS is also an anti-Israeli rag? Maybe the journalist in this video is dripping tomato juice from his head (track to the 4-minute mark of the clip to see what I am talking about).

There is a frequent stream of stories of international news reporters not being allowed to do their jobs. Just this month there was a story about a Canadian journalist not being allowed in. And here is an article from the Haaretz which seems to suggest that censorship occurs in an official capacity.

 
At 8:27 PM, Blogger LASunsett said...

Esther,

As I have said before, I am not an overly religious man. But I see this scripture come to life more and more, as days go on.

Isaiah 30:8-10

8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:

9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:

10 Which say to the seers, see not; and to the prophets, prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

 
At 8:47 PM, Blogger Mark said...

From the article provided by the Consickliere:

"In the last American report on human rights it was said that censorship in Israel is limited to the banning of news in cases of "very near certainty of damaging security interests" of the state."

Given the nature of Israel's position in the Middle East, i.e. one of a country under siege, this kind of censorship isn't exactly a surprise or unwarranted. It's easy for people to condemn Israeli policies when you aren't the one that is risking getting your cojones blown off on a cross-town bus ride.

FYI, C, Ha'aretz is well-known for having writers that are distinctly anti-Israeli. This is the very definition of a free press. By comparison, anti-"Palestinian" reporting is something that doesn't even exist in the PA. In addition, PBS has quite a number of people on-staff that are , in fact, anti-Israeli, and that attitude is reflected in a large part of their reporting. As to whether the story you provided is true, as far as the report goes it's all second-hand information, as told to another reporter by "Palestinian" Arab "journalists". I expect that there is as much truth to their report as there proved to be with regard to the "massacre" of Jenin.

Nothing to see here, folks.

 
At 9:05 PM, Blogger Esther said...

Felis, so true.

RR, I'll try to get to that book. i'm sure it's great!

henry, it's wild, isn't it?!? Thanks for stopping by!

Beak, I'm sure it would shock me. Glad I'm not in school anymore!

drumm--you are awesome! :) You give us hope in today's youth.

C --

Mark handled most of your comment as I would have... with that info about the Israeli press and PBS, etc.

A few things strike me with this video. Could be acted. Why not show the guy being shot and then pan to the guy (supposedly the soldier) doing the shooting? That's basic! But they didn't do that, which leads me to believe it was either staged or it was not a soldier who did the shooting. They've staged far great theatrics...that piece of video would have been a piece of cake. Again, this takes us back to the point I made that you were turned off by (and I do understand why you say that; it's simply my frustration at your wholesale buying of what these people are saying)..... Palestinians have been proven to lie, to "act" for the cameras, etc. There are many examples of it.

I appreciate your hanging in there with the discussion.

Lasunsett -- love that passage. Thanks for posting it.

Mark, as always, thanks for your input; you saved me some time and said better than me what I wanted said... thank you!

 
At 11:50 PM, Anonymous The Consigliere said...

Mark: "As to whether the story you provided is true, as far as the report goes it's all second-hand information, as told to another reporter by "Palestinian" Arab "journalists"."

Esther: "A few things strike me with this video. Could be acted."

I guess so. Thanks for the discussion. It's defintely been illuminating.

 
At 12:47 AM, Anonymous Rory said...

For anybody who doesn't believe the Palestinians have staged events, the best example is one that was filmed by an Israeli drone. After the Jenin "massacre" a funeral took place for one of the 500 (better make that 26 victims)accompanied by the usual wailing and carrying on. Suddenly, the victim's body fell off the gurney and several of the pallbearers scrambled to put it back, only to have it fall again. Finally, the corpse became impatient and got up and ran away. Palestinian street theater at its best.

 
At 4:40 AM, Blogger Mark said...

"Thanks for the discussion. It's defintely been illuminating."

If only that were true. Someone like "C" isn't bloody likely to have an epiphany on the nature of Israel and the Jews from a mere six or seven comments. I'm sure that some of his or her best friends are Jews. He/she is just anti-Israeli or anti-Zionist.

We've heard this schtick before.

 
At 8:26 AM, Blogger birdwoman said...

People don't want to believe that the underdog could be wrong. It's through all our culture that Goliath is the bully, and David will be vindicated.

My problem is the short memories. Israel has only been the successful, good looking sibling for a handful of decades. And, the displaced Arabs who fancy themselves Palestinians are only where they are because the last Goliath tried to wage war on Israel.

Then again, I'm no history buff, either, so I'm probably wrong on some of my postulates here.

(*)>

 
At 8:50 AM, Anonymous Jonathan said...

Last time I was in Israel, I saw a fascinating presentation at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. We were shown clips from PA news broadcasts depicting brutal treatment of Palestinian civilians by Israeli soldiers. On closer inspection, the IDF uniforms were obvious fakes. The whole thing was staged. I also saw other eye-opening examples of erroneous reporting by ABC, the NYT, etc. These are just anecdotes and may not be representative of all coverage, but I found the presentation compelling. Sometimes it goes beyong bias and amounts to outright fraud.

 
At 9:32 AM, Blogger Gindy said...

"Can someone explain to me why people readily want to believe lies espoused by the Palestinians?"

Because they are deemed to be poor and oppressed. Even though I blame the PA for both.

" So when they have already proven themselves as despicable and on the side of death, why take their word on things?"

Because they are being used like tools.

 
At 10:41 AM, Blogger Shah Alexander said...

Why people believe lies? First, the media assume themselves defenders of the weak, ie, Palestinians in this case. Second, people are brainwashed by the conspiracy theory. As a result, they blame the US and Jewish lobby.

I mention this at
http://newglobal-america.blogspot.com/2005/06/misunderstandings-on-america-and.html .

 
At 1:47 PM, Blogger patrickafir said...

Mostly everyone has summed up my views on this troublesome phenomenon. I call it the reverse of Rudyard Kipling's The White Man's Burden. I like birdwoman's David & Goliath analogy too. Also, RR is right: Unholy Alliance is a great read. You also might be interested in MIT cognitive psychologist, Steven Pinker's, The Blank Slate, Esther. He does a great job at illuminating the fallacious and detrimental effects on Western society brought about by the flawed social sciences of the early twentieth century. He's a great writer.

 
At 2:40 PM, Blogger drummaster2001 said...

jonathan:

you have just made me realize that all the footage taken on that video i mentioned earlier could have been (and most likely was) fraudulent. i wouldn't have guessed it, but apparently you were able to identify fake uniforms. as for my class, we all had a laugh at the absolute rediculousness of the tape.

 
At 1:59 PM, Anonymous Jonathan said...

D-master2001, during the presentation, they stopped the footage and expanded the frames so you could see the insignia on the IDF uniforms. When compared side by side with the actual insignia, it was obvious they were fakes. Palestinians are fed a steady diet of this crap. I agree with Gindy, who notes that, to some extent, the civilian population is being manipulated by these lies.

 
At 4:25 PM, Anonymous Rachel said...

I agree wholeheartedly with birdwoman, that people don't want to think that the underdog could be wrong... a massive part of maturity is actually being able to admit fault where it's due, so instead of admitting fault a lot of people who are supporting the means of the Palestinian cause are more willing to hold on to the myth than think it were possible that big bad evil Israel might possibly be telling the truth

 

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